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welcome to the somewhere in the skies

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and unknown podcast crossover episode

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recorded live at alien con Baltimore I

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am one of your hosts for today Ryan

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Sprague my colleague over at rogue

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planet Jason McClellan and I had an

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amazing opportunity to record a

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crossover episode in front of a live

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audience and a link on a few weeks ago

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and this was the outcome we discuss our

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personal UFO sightings and then audience

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members share theirs as well it was a

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powerful and insightful discussion

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reminiscent of my previous witness

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account episodes in the archives

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while the UFO investigator or researcher

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can relay someone's UFO account to the

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best of their abilities it just spells

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in comparison to hearing it straight

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from a witness's heart and voice so

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that's what you're gonna hear today I

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hope you enjoy this very special episode

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greeting citizens and welcome to this

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somewhere in the skies unknown crossover

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episode I'm Jason McClellan and Ryan and

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I are excited to be recording this

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episode live from alien Con Baltimore

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and we had the privilege of being joined

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today by this awesome audience at alien

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Con how are you guys today are you

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having fun yet we were so worried about

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that being so early in the morning so

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thank you this is one of the first

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sessions that alien cons so yeah we know

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it's it's great for you to be here great

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that you have some energy to join us

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well what about you Ryan are you having

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fun as alien con this isn't your first

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car no I did the last event in Pasadena

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this past summer which was amazing I had

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no idea what to expect as a UFO

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researcher you know I watch ancient

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aliens I am I'm up with the times with

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all that but I had no idea what to

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expect and when I got there I was blown

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away and that's kind of how I feel today

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here on the East Coast where I'm

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originally from so it's it's good to be

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home it's good to see a lot of familiar

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like this this is my first alien con but

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we do a lot of UFO specific events and a

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lot of the UFO conferences are largely

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academic you know where they're they're

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focused on the large speaker component

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with lectures and and talks about

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various topics related to UFOs and what

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I think alien Khan has done really well

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too and taking the two kind of blending

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the best of both worlds in a topic so

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that Senator on topic that we love yeah

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absolutely and bringing a lot of people

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together that might normally not we all

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passion in common and that's you know

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the question of aliens right right and

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more about UFOs today absolutely how

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they're connected how they may not be

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connected stuff like that yeah so let's

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get into it so the focus of our episode

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today is going to be specifically on UFO

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extraterrestrial experiences and we're

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attendees here today so I'm excited for

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that but let's get started with ours

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Ryan why don't you share whatever you

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would like to share yeah absolutely I

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mean so I feel like a lot of UFO

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researchers have that origin story of

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how they got involved why they do this

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with every free moment they have which

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is what we do you know we research study

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investigate UFOs every waking moment

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when we're not you know paying the bills

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and everything so for me I had a UFO

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event when I was 12 years old

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this happened in 1995 and it was off the

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st. Lawrence River if anyone's familiar

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this was the border between upstate New

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York and Canada and the the river

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literally connected the two and I was on

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a weekend getaway with my parents to go

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fishing and we were staying at a motel

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right right on the water and it was late

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at night and I was listening to Green

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on my discman that brings it back to the

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90s and I was just you know casting my

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reel out bringing it in Casa no bringing

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it in and listening to music and I

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noticed three lights in the water and I

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thought there was something under the

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water so I started like peering over the

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edge and I noticed that it was not in

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the water it was a reflection

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so naturally I look up and above me I

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couldn't tell you how high up how close

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it was but it was three white lights and

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a like a reddish orange basketball

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shaped thing in the middle it was in a

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triangular formation I did not see a

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structure to this thing I didn't see

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metal I didn't see anything connecting

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it but the lights were stationary they

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were floating above me and I could not

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see the stars or anything behind it so I

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am guessing this was a solid object but

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I can't say for sure and it was silent I

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didn't hear a thing all I could hear was

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the water hitting the dock for us

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fishing I flung my headphones off

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waiting to hear for some sort of

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propulsion nothing I was really scared

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this thing was floating silently above

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me so I tried to yell for my father who

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was inside our motel watching a Yankees

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game so I couldn't get him away from the

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vibration from the back of my neck going

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down into my chest during all this I

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don't know what that was maybe I was

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just scared maybe whatever this was was

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doing something I don't know but I was

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frozen I couldn't talk nothing I finally

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was able to get a little squeal out and

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my dad runs out and as he's coming out

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the thing starts going over the water

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towards Canada and disappears out of

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sight I don't know if it just went over

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the horizon or if it actually went into

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the water I couldn't tell you but my

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father did see the tail end of this

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thing so I knew I wasn't just seeing

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things he told me it was a plane just a

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plane you know doing his fatherly job

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but I knew different I saw it right

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above me silent massive

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and the next morning we went to the

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motel person and said did anyone report

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anything weird he said no but we get

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stuff like that all the time so that

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scared me even more this was not the

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first time a UFO had been seen in this

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area again I was 12 years old I it was

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fear it was just fear I didn't know what

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it was and that kind of led to an

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obsession I started taking out books at

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the library on UFOs and cryptids and all

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that good stuff and I would have

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nightmares about what I saw and it just

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really stuck with me but I wanted to

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educate myself and I started getting all

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the books and that's kind of my origin

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story as it were and that's how I became

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a UFO researcher we'll see and that's

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that's the cool thing about your origin

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story is that it actually is tied to a

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sighting yeah so you get to tell both of

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yours in the same time always fun oh I

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think I'm gonna start just briefly by

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mentioning my sighting of the Phoenix

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lights you're probably familiar with the

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Phoenix lights is a large mass UFO

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sighting in Arizona and it was in March

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of 1997 I was a 17 year old boy back

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then and I grew up in the remote desert

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on the outskirts of Phoenix and on that

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night I was out forget our property had

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like I think our house was on like an

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acre or something of nothing but desert

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very very remote very very lonely but

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that night walking walking around the

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property the lights were very hard to

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miss we saw a lot of weird things in the

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sky all the time and just for fun

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military dropping flares because from

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we had a clear line of sight to the

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Barry Goldwater range where the a-10

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frequently dropped the test flares that

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were later attributed to the Phoenix

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lights but I knew right from the moment

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I saw those lights that they were not

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military flares I knew that this was

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something out of the ordinary something

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I had never seen before and something

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that I should probably pay attention to

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so I stared at these lights that were

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seemingly directly over my head

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a series of seven lights and they were

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completely motionless completely silent

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and did not change in their formation or

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their appearance at all they didn't

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flicker or change color they were just a

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constant steady series of lights

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hovering in the sky now this frustrates

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me to no end because of my career now

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but as a 17 year old kid my attention

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span was very limited and after 15

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minutes or so I kind of lost interest

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and went back inside did something else

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but I came back later probably ten

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minutes later the lights were still

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there and it gets worse I grabbed our

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camcorder and I recorded these lights

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for probably 10 minutes I'm pretty sure

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that video was recorded over by one of

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my brother's soccer games so that that's

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haunted me for a while but the Phoenix

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lights was was an incredible thing and I

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will say that those lights remained out

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there and I didn't see them disappear I

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don't know how they left but I was aware

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that they were there for probably a span

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of 45 minutes and I will say recounting

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any of my UFO sighting experiences I've

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learned over the years and having dealt

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with so many experiences from witnesses

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and knowing what I know about witness

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testimony

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valuable valuable I value that probably

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over much evidence that there is with

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UFO sightings however I do know the

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problems with eyewitness testimony

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especially with my own I have a terrible

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brain and I know thinking back to

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something that happened so long ago

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I would like to firmly say that oh I

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remember there were clearly seven lights

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and they clearly did this and I looked

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at my watch and it was this time to the

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second I have no clue I don't remember

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what I had for get

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last week let alone you know what

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happened to the second on the night so

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long ago so I do try to preface my

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stories with that saying this is what I

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seem to recall is what I think happened

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to the best of my recollection but not

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100% certain so I try to avoid very firm

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details with these stories Phoenix

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lights however as incredible as it was

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and it became such a monumental case you

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know the largest mass sighting in in

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modern history wasn't the one that had

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the most effect on me and I hate saying

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that because it makes me sound like a

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jerk but to this point I mean I I've

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lost count of how many UFO sightings

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I've had and when I say UFO sightings

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again this is coming from this

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perspective of somebody who is a UFO

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researcher and journalist somebody who's

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done this professionally I was paid a

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salary full time 50 hours a week for a

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period of seven years to do nothing but

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UFO research so I have reviewed and

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analyzed literally thousands of UFO

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photos and videos and being a

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responsible journalist and researcher I

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got pretty darn good at being able to

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identify mundane things that they pop up

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in a lot of UFO photos and videos to

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weed those out and focus on the more

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interesting cases so when I talk about

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my personal UFO sightings sure I've seen

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plenty of junk in the sky because the

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sky is littered with with all sorts of

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things that we that looks weird to us

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but the things based on my experience

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that defy explanation that I haven't

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been able to put an answer to it's I've

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lost count but I see typically it's

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about a dozen to this point and again

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the Phoenix lights isn't the most

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exciting one to me although it's the

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most well-known and became this this

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giant thing as it should because it's

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incredibly important and fascinating I

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think my first sighting as a researcher

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happened with the aid of night vision

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and if you've ever had the ability to

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use night vision and go sky watching it

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is incredible you see all sorts of stuff

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that you have no idea is there and again

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a lot of this stuff is normal stuff that

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should be there but then there are the

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things

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that make you scratch your head and

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maybe sometimes pee-your-pants but once

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they scratch your head for yourself and

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yeah one of the one of the first first

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times I went to did an outing with with

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night vision I did see the objects that

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you hear reference so often of things

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moving through the sky seemingly like

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satellites with a similar behavior and

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appearance of a satellite moving through

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the sky but then stopping remaining in

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that same point and then shooting off in

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another direction and disappearing from

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sight

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those situations just take your breath

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away you're all that that can't happen

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but it just did so those are some of the

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better ones that leave me very excited

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and have happened multiple times but

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there's been a lot of weird sightings

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too I mean they're all weird but you

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know Ryan mentioned a triangular shape

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that's a probably the most commonly

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cited shape today but they run the gamut

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they really do and I love the names they

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come up with especially in the UK they

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have like hamburger shaped UFOs and

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things that are great I've never seen a

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hamburger shaped UFO but I have seen a

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rectangle UFO and that one was was

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hovering above the freeway I was driving

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down the freeway and saw this object and

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it was it was dark so you couldn't

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really see or make out shape of an

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object until I was directly under it and

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I could see that this object was

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motionless over the freeway and it was

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probably again Who am i but to make this

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assessment but I'm guessing it was about

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a hundred feet off the ground but

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looking up at it as we drove under it

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I could see edges and it had lights it

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had round big round lights on each edge

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of it so it was just a big big rectangle

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with two circular lights gigantic craft

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just hovering over the freeway and I've

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seen those actually a couple of times

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you know I've spoken to many witnesses

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who've seen very similar craft as well

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yeah it

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does run the gamut the days of flying

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saucers have come and gone I mean that

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was a product of its time but we know

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now like people are seeing the weirdest

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things you can possibly think of some

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even seem organic I've come across cases

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where people see things like almost

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breathing or thriving in the sky like

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some sort of biological entity almost

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it's very interesting just you know

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trying to we we spent so much time

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trying to put things in a box but we can

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we can't I don't think anyone really can

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when it comes to having a UFO sighting

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because it is something you've sort of

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you've never experienced before you

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there's no box to put it in and again I

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always try to keep an open mind even if

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I think I know an explanation

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the most likely explanation for

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something that I've seen I know that

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that's just one explanation there could

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be other possibilities and one of those

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you know speaking about the biologic UFO

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that's another example of one of the

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weird ones that I've seen with a super

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crazy high-powered lens in Mexico City I

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watched this object seemingly swim

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through this guy and looking back at it

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now you know it's fully convinced this

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wasn't the case then now I as time

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passes I consider the possibility more

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and more that yeah it was most likely a

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researchable in a weather balloon

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because they do have this appearance

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that had a long tail where the payload

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you know is typically suspended from but

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when I was there when I was watching

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this thing move on the cameras LCD I

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could see these motions I could see what

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seemed to be intelligent color shifting

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it was wild and so I although I do think

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it probably was was a weather balloon

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and just a result of seeing with it

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being so high in the altitude at high

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altitude and the Sun was reflecting off

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at quite a bit causing these seeming

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color changes I still come back to that

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possibility based on based on

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when I saw I'm open to the possibility

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of the biologic UFO yeah yeah well

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Roswell was a weather balloon too Jason

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yeah right well I think we should

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probably open it up to hear some of our

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audience's stories here so if you would

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like to share a sighting or an encounter

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that you may have had please come up to

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the microphone and again we'll try to

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keep these as brief as possible so we

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can allow as many people as possible to

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share stories and again you don't have

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to share stories you don't have to use

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your name you don't have to use your

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name again it's not video it's audio and

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certainly we'll be around all weekend so

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if you'd like to share your stories with

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us and not be recorded that's also a

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possibility for you later

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so we'll keep talking feel free to come

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up to the mic and we'll jump to you as

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it seems appropriate I want to point out

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I'll bring up another sighting I had in

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San Diego or actually I was on my way to

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San Diego and this is how I get so

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frustrated at myself with how lazy and

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complacent I've become with with UFO

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sightings because I just I don't know

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they don't affect me like they used to

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and when I I've had a couple of these

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sightings where I'm driving and I see

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something remarkable and I should pull

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over and look at this thing and I even

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sometimes have camera equipment in my

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car and I don't you know take photos or

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video I just keep driving them all oh

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that's cool

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well that's the biggest issue we run

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into with skeptics is why didn't you

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record it why don't these people pull

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out their cell phone we have the

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technology now it's in our pocket every

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second why aren't we taking photos and

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videos of these things at least from

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personal experience I the last thing on

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my mind was taking a photo of what I was

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seeing

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I it's a very personal powerful moment

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even if it's a prosaic thing you're

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looking at that you later discover was

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you know something you misidentified

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that moment of seeing something you've

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never seen before your total your

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reality or perception being a skewed

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last thing you're thinking of is oh I

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want to I want to post this on YouTube

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or Instagram it's just I don't think

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that's really yeah that's you're in

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at immediate moment like enjoy it for

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what it's worth that's that's what I say

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does it suck because we don't have

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photographic evidence of what you saw

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yeah it does but I think UFO sightings

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are deeply personal and they impact you

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in your own ways however your beliefs

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were before that might be shifted

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they might not who knows but I know so

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many people who are like oh that was

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interesting and they went on with their

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day yeah well some people it changed

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their entire lives yeah so the last one

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in San Diego that I should have pulled

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over for I was actually going out to to

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San Diego to see Tom DeLonge a to the

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Stars and I was driving it was it was

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very early in the morning I mean very

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like probably an hour or two before the

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Sun came up so I was still dark driving

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on the road only vehicle on the road and

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I saw this light ahead it was in the sky

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but I couldn't tell how far off the road

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it was I assumed that it was an airplane

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but as I kept driving it seemed to just

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stay in the same place and it was there

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for quite a while and I had a clear view

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for a very long stretch of nothingness

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road and so I just assumed well this

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must be a planet then because clearly up

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my angle I'm out I can't tell

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perspective but it's a planet it hasn't

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moved it hasn't changed an appearance

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and it's it's pretty prominent so I

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think it's a planet as I kept

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approaching it was still there that's

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all that can't be a planet it's too low

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in the sky I kept getting closer and

544
00:23:23,730 --> 00:23:21,490
closer and it stayed in that same spot

545
00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:23,740
it's all wait a second I need to start

546
00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:25,450
paying attention to this so as I got

547
00:23:29,670 --> 00:23:26,770
closer and closer I could tell I was

548
00:23:31,350 --> 00:23:29,680
gonna pass directly under it and if I

549
00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:31,360
did I looked up and there was just a

550
00:23:36,900 --> 00:23:34,090
solid light there in the sky pretty far

551
00:23:39,870 --> 00:23:36,910
up but still quite seemingly large and

552
00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:39,880
bright as I passed it I saw a sign for a

553
00:23:44,850 --> 00:23:42,490
rest area so I took the exit got off at

554
00:23:47,430 --> 00:23:44,860
the rest area got out of my car turned

555
00:23:49,980 --> 00:23:47,440
around I was gone this covers nothing

556
00:23:53,250 --> 00:23:49,990
there yeah welcome to our lives it's

557
00:23:55,350 --> 00:23:53,260
gonna pull over faster yeah yeah hi hi

558
00:23:57,870 --> 00:23:55,360
there I just want to share my story also

559
00:24:00,900 --> 00:23:57,880
I wish I had a closer experience like

560
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:00,910
you but my friends and I this was back

561
00:24:05,580 --> 00:24:03,730
in the early 90s we were at the

562
00:24:07,860 --> 00:24:05,590
Wachusett reservoir and we were watching

563
00:24:09,060 --> 00:24:07,870
you know the Perseid meteor showers that

564
00:24:11,730 --> 00:24:09,070
night

565
00:24:13,169 --> 00:24:11,740
we were looking up in the sky and you

566
00:24:15,169 --> 00:24:13,179
know fire up everything just looks like

567
00:24:17,669 --> 00:24:15,179
a white dot right those are the stars

568
00:24:21,509 --> 00:24:17,679
then all of a sudden one of those dots

569
00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:21,519
from north to south started jumping down

570
00:24:26,850 --> 00:24:24,610
in a straight line so it wasn't blinking

571
00:24:32,330 --> 00:24:26,860
it was like jumping and then it stopped

572
00:24:35,190 --> 00:24:32,340
and made a perfect 90-degree change to

573
00:24:37,740 --> 00:24:35,200
you know to the east and did the same

574
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:37,750
thing and then blinked off and I said to

575
00:24:42,149 --> 00:24:40,690
my friends did you see that and they

576
00:24:44,850 --> 00:24:42,159
laughed at me I said what could that

577
00:24:46,889 --> 00:24:44,860
possibly be but it was so far up you

578
00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:46,899
could be you know I start that's what it

579
00:24:51,149 --> 00:24:48,970
looked like but it couldn't have been a

580
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:51,159
star because stars don't move like that

581
00:24:55,409 --> 00:24:52,690
yeah so we really couldn't figure out

582
00:24:56,220 --> 00:24:55,419
what it was but it was exciting that's

583
00:24:58,619 --> 00:24:56,230
terrific

584
00:25:02,190 --> 00:24:58,629
yeah I mean the the whole stopping and

585
00:25:04,470 --> 00:25:02,200
making a 90-degree turn right to me I

586
00:25:07,230 --> 00:25:04,480
mean no conventional aircraft with a

587
00:25:09,659 --> 00:25:07,240
pilot could survive something like that

588
00:25:11,879 --> 00:25:09,669
and it was so high not like you know

589
00:25:14,820 --> 00:25:11,889
Space Station doesn't do that or

590
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:14,830
anything like that yeah so you do have

591
00:25:20,730 --> 00:25:18,250
to wonder for sure yeah I mean of course

592
00:25:22,860 --> 00:25:20,740
like you want to jump - it was aliens

593
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:22,870
but we don't know all right no but at

594
00:25:27,659 --> 00:25:25,210
the same time you have to wonder if it

595
00:25:29,490 --> 00:25:27,669
was fun to see I can my father also

596
00:25:32,249 --> 00:25:29,500
hadn't experienced that he told me about

597
00:25:34,379 --> 00:25:32,259
that was a little closer he was driving

598
00:25:37,619 --> 00:25:34,389
down the street with his wife and off

599
00:25:40,409 --> 00:25:37,629
into the woods he saw these rotating

600
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:40,419
different colored lights and they both

601
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:42,250
looked and they saw that it was some

602
00:25:47,789 --> 00:25:45,850
kind of typical round craft that was

603
00:25:49,940 --> 00:25:47,799
just going through the woods following

604
00:25:53,220 --> 00:25:49,950
the road that they were on and

605
00:25:55,139 --> 00:25:53,230
eventually you know got to forested and

606
00:25:56,519 --> 00:25:55,149
he couldn't see it anymore but I wish I

607
00:25:58,289 --> 00:25:56,529
had been there for that one cuz that was

608
00:26:00,570 --> 00:25:58,299
a little bit closer of an encounter and

609
00:26:01,950 --> 00:26:00,580
I didn't you know but yeah I find it

610
00:26:04,830 --> 00:26:01,960
fascinating it's a really fascinating

611
00:26:06,869 --> 00:26:04,840
yeah yeah a lot of people always say

612
00:26:09,149 --> 00:26:06,879
like you know I want to see a UFO I want

613
00:26:10,549 --> 00:26:09,159
to see a UFO you understand that impulse

614
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:10,559
for sure

615
00:26:15,419 --> 00:26:13,450
I'm happy I saw what I saw

616
00:26:18,180 --> 00:26:15,429
I guess it led me on this path I am

617
00:26:21,090 --> 00:26:18,190
today into this room right now even but

618
00:26:22,770 --> 00:26:21,100
at the same time it was really scary

619
00:26:25,230 --> 00:26:22,780
yeah really scary when you

620
00:26:27,990 --> 00:26:25,240
young like that yeah it's such a young

621
00:26:31,350 --> 00:26:28,000
age yeah it really I wouldn't say

622
00:26:33,390 --> 00:26:31,360
traumatize me but it definitely changed

623
00:26:36,570 --> 00:26:33,400
my perception of the world but you

624
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:36,580
didn't have missing time correct that's

625
00:26:41,580 --> 00:26:37,570
a tough one

626
00:26:44,660 --> 00:26:41,590
I had what many have coined the odds

627
00:26:47,130 --> 00:26:44,670
factor occur when I had my sighting this

628
00:26:49,620 --> 00:26:47,140
feeling of everything slowing down

629
00:26:51,360 --> 00:26:49,630
around you and your senses are just

630
00:26:53,580 --> 00:26:51,370
going all over the place like I said I

631
00:26:57,420 --> 00:26:53,590
had this weird vibration going through

632
00:26:59,850 --> 00:26:57,430
my body and just everything seemed to be

633
00:27:02,280 --> 00:26:59,860
blurry and going in slow motion

634
00:27:04,170 --> 00:27:02,290
you know I when I finally did yell for

635
00:27:06,570 --> 00:27:04,180
my dad to come out like it felt like

636
00:27:08,700 --> 00:27:06,580
forever when in reality it was probably

637
00:27:10,590 --> 00:27:08,710
just like that I don't know I don't know

638
00:27:12,450 --> 00:27:10,600
how long the event lasted to be

639
00:27:15,090 --> 00:27:12,460
completely honest memory is available at

640
00:27:17,220 --> 00:27:15,100
times what I remember most is how I felt

641
00:27:19,260 --> 00:27:17,230
and I think that's the same for a lot of

642
00:27:20,820 --> 00:27:19,270
people like they they grab on to that

643
00:27:23,550 --> 00:27:20,830
one thing they know best and that's how

644
00:27:25,950 --> 00:27:23,560
they feel during something not how high

645
00:27:27,510 --> 00:27:25,960
up was it how big was it yeah those

646
00:27:29,850 --> 00:27:27,520
things are great and we would love those

647
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:29,860
as investigators and if we can narrow in

648
00:27:33,360 --> 00:27:31,330
we can try to figure out what it was but

649
00:27:35,430 --> 00:27:33,370
at the same time whatever you saw that

650
00:27:38,220 --> 00:27:35,440
night and whatever your father saw like

651
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:38,230
that's for you right for you thank you

652
00:27:42,870 --> 00:27:40,450
yeah thank you for sharing yeah I will

653
00:27:45,030 --> 00:27:42,880
say that you touched on it a lot of

654
00:27:47,670 --> 00:27:45,040
people ask us how do i how do I see a

655
00:27:49,890 --> 00:27:47,680
UFO where do I goes go to see a UFO it's

656
00:27:52,770 --> 00:27:49,900
something that a lot of people ask and I

657
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:52,780
mean sadly or maybe not so sadly that

658
00:27:57,470 --> 00:27:54,730
there is no magic formula to seeing UFO

659
00:28:01,560 --> 00:27:57,480
but what I always tell people is just

660
00:28:03,510 --> 00:28:01,570
look up if you invest the time you'll

661
00:28:05,460 --> 00:28:03,520
probably see something because there's a

662
00:28:09,180 --> 00:28:05,470
lot of stuff up there all the time day

663
00:28:11,070 --> 00:28:09,190
or night so this guy watching isn't for

664
00:28:13,470 --> 00:28:11,080
everybody it can be incredibly boring

665
00:28:16,410 --> 00:28:13,480
because it's a lot of time where a lot

666
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:16,420
of nothing is happening but the times

667
00:28:21,630 --> 00:28:18,970
I've gone and really spent full nights

668
00:28:24,090 --> 00:28:21,640
staring at the sky you see some of the

669
00:28:26,370 --> 00:28:24,100
greatest stuff even if it's not alien

670
00:28:28,500 --> 00:28:26,380
the things the natural things going on

671
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:28,510
in our world are just as exciting that

672
00:28:32,549 --> 00:28:30,730
are up there it's it's astounding hi

673
00:28:35,610 --> 00:28:32,559
hello

674
00:28:38,970 --> 00:28:35,620
this was in the 90s I was visiting a

675
00:28:42,419 --> 00:28:38,980
friend in Pagosa Springs Colorado

676
00:28:45,090 --> 00:28:42,429
right in here dulce Mexico so there's a

677
00:28:47,879 --> 00:28:45,100
lot of activity I hear around there so I

678
00:28:50,730 --> 00:28:47,889
was had been interested in UFOs and I

679
00:28:52,529 --> 00:28:50,740
was visiting her going and we I got

680
00:28:56,190 --> 00:28:52,539
there a little late it was dark at that

681
00:28:59,610 --> 00:28:56,200
time and we went out on her deck had a

682
00:29:02,549 --> 00:28:59,620
great view so I I sort of I saw some

683
00:29:07,859 --> 00:29:02,559
planes coming in from the left very long

684
00:29:08,820 --> 00:29:07,869
view and so I I said hi hey just joking

685
00:29:10,619 --> 00:29:08,830
Wow

686
00:29:11,909 --> 00:29:10,629
two planes turned into about eight them

687
00:29:15,570 --> 00:29:11,919
being Bing Bing Bing Bing Bing Bing Bing

688
00:29:20,580 --> 00:29:15,580
as if they answered me mm-hmm here's a

689
00:29:22,730 --> 00:29:20,590
hi Wow Wow interesting

690
00:29:25,859 --> 00:29:22,740
have you tried have you tried that again

691
00:29:27,989 --> 00:29:25,869
to go back to well to go back to and

692
00:29:31,950 --> 00:29:27,999
there must be some familiarity with me

693
00:29:35,249 --> 00:29:31,960
of me because this wasn't a sighting but

694
00:29:38,820 --> 00:29:35,259
this had to do with totally inexplicable

695
00:29:43,619 --> 00:29:38,830
and yes lickable when I was I'm a twin

696
00:29:46,619 --> 00:29:43,629
they liked it study twins I gather and I

697
00:29:50,820 --> 00:29:46,629
must have been about six five six years

698
00:29:56,269 --> 00:29:50,830
old in Indiana used to like to watch for

699
00:30:01,259 --> 00:29:56,279
whatever reason the stars at night and

700
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:01,269
the Venus Venus I was just fascinated I

701
00:30:05,369 --> 00:30:04,090
was watching every night well and it

702
00:30:07,049 --> 00:30:05,379
must been earlier than that because I

703
00:30:09,450 --> 00:30:07,059
was still in diapers I guess must be

704
00:30:11,700 --> 00:30:09,460
earlier but maybe that's why later

705
00:30:14,789 --> 00:30:11,710
I was watching Venus having forgotten

706
00:30:17,039 --> 00:30:14,799
about this very small me and my twin

707
00:30:21,409 --> 00:30:17,049
brother in Indiana were found outside

708
00:30:24,930 --> 00:30:21,419
all the windows closed in the morning

709
00:30:28,769 --> 00:30:24,940
wandering around in our diapers doors

710
00:30:30,899 --> 00:30:28,779
closed windows closed that was

711
00:30:35,039 --> 00:30:30,909
interesting mom told us about it I don't

712
00:30:38,399 --> 00:30:35,049
remember specifically and then very

713
00:30:41,930 --> 00:30:38,409
shortly after that during the summer we

714
00:30:45,130 --> 00:30:41,940
would have simultaneous bleeding noses

715
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:45,140
well duh

716
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:47,250
something's happening there we didn't

717
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:49,770
think anything of it Oh Glenn has a has

718
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:52,770
a bleeding nose oh you do too in

719
00:30:58,700 --> 00:30:55,650
separate bedrooms you know uh so that

720
00:31:00,800 --> 00:30:58,710
may have been some early connection but

721
00:31:03,230 --> 00:31:00,810
it wasn't a visual other than I was

722
00:31:04,970 --> 00:31:03,240
looking at the Stars and and then in

723
00:31:07,700 --> 00:31:04,980
another interesting thing that when you

724
00:31:10,100 --> 00:31:07,710
think about it I had this big fear of

725
00:31:12,260 --> 00:31:10,110
being I didn't have the word abducted

726
00:31:15,230 --> 00:31:12,270
did not have that or kidnapped or

727
00:31:19,490 --> 00:31:15,240
anything but I just knew that I didn't

728
00:31:21,980 --> 00:31:19,500
want to be taken away and I and that

729
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:21,990
would you that the thing under the under

730
00:31:27,470 --> 00:31:24,570
the the bad bad guy under the bed kind

731
00:31:31,310 --> 00:31:27,480
of thing or a closet no I was apparently

732
00:31:34,790 --> 00:31:31,320
very rather courageous because I got up

733
00:31:38,150 --> 00:31:34,800
and looked in that closet just to prove

734
00:31:40,460 --> 00:31:38,160
my brother wrong and let me see it's a

735
00:31:42,980 --> 00:31:40,470
lot it's a lot these things are very

736
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:42,990
rarely chronological they're messy

737
00:31:48,950 --> 00:31:45,210
they're again there's snippets of things

738
00:31:51,950 --> 00:31:48,960
that we sometimes try to push down or

739
00:31:53,300 --> 00:31:51,960
don't want to remember but yeah that's

740
00:31:56,780 --> 00:31:53,310
all very interesting

741
00:31:59,260 --> 00:31:56,790
yeah old nose bloody nose thing we come

742
00:32:01,460 --> 00:31:59,270
across that a lot in researching the

743
00:32:06,940 --> 00:32:01,470
quote-unquote abduction phenomenon

744
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:06,950
thanks for filling in yeah I I saw a

745
00:32:12,950 --> 00:32:09,810
cartoon because I was really worried

746
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:12,960
about being taken away no no my had saw

747
00:32:20,900 --> 00:32:17,610
this cartoon of a teddy bear that that

748
00:32:23,060 --> 00:32:20,910
was a paper cartoon teddy bear and the

749
00:32:24,950 --> 00:32:23,070
teddy bear some bad people were gonna

750
00:32:28,220 --> 00:32:24,960
take these people that teddy bear became

751
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:28,230
a big bear and protected her I that was

752
00:32:33,170 --> 00:32:31,410
very that was helped I thought I thought

753
00:32:34,820 --> 00:32:33,180
of a teddy bear every time that would

754
00:32:36,590 --> 00:32:34,830
grow into a grizzly bear and those

755
00:32:38,870 --> 00:32:36,600
children were not being taken away

756
00:32:41,450 --> 00:32:38,880
through they were kidnappers I had a

757
00:32:43,550 --> 00:32:41,460
word for it then so I there you go

758
00:32:45,530 --> 00:32:43,560
that's those are some experiences of

759
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:45,540
mind wanders thank you thank you so much

760
00:32:51,399 --> 00:32:48,370
very much welcome appreciate that

761
00:32:53,649 --> 00:32:51,409
hey I'll make this quick

762
00:32:57,220 --> 00:32:53,659
I live New Jersey by Fort Dix for

763
00:32:58,930 --> 00:32:57,230
McGuire for Lakehurst Naval Station are

764
00:33:00,789 --> 00:32:58,940
all together right I'm sure you heard

765
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:00,799
about the alien getting killed in Fort

766
00:33:06,370 --> 00:33:04,370
Dix way back and stuff this was back in

767
00:33:09,039 --> 00:33:06,380
August this year this would led me here

768
00:33:10,629 --> 00:33:09,049
as my first UFO conference ever I went

769
00:33:13,690 --> 00:33:10,639
outside of my mother's house right

770
00:33:15,730 --> 00:33:13,700
talking on the phone is a little woods a

771
00:33:17,830 --> 00:33:15,740
service road and in this big garden

772
00:33:19,690 --> 00:33:17,840
parking lot power lines in front of me I

773
00:33:22,029 --> 00:33:19,700
walk out there talking to my cousin

774
00:33:23,470 --> 00:33:22,039
looking up I think at 8:10 a movie was

775
00:33:25,539 --> 00:33:23,480
coming on so it ate a cloud knew I had

776
00:33:27,369 --> 00:33:25,549
like 10 minutes I look up and you see a

777
00:33:30,100 --> 00:33:27,379
plane flying in the air and I look over

778
00:33:31,330 --> 00:33:30,110
to the left and a lane approaching and I

779
00:33:32,889 --> 00:33:31,340
remember whatever she was saying I'm

780
00:33:34,899 --> 00:33:32,899
like wow I said this thing's like really

781
00:33:36,730 --> 00:33:34,909
bright you know and she's like maybe

782
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:36,740
it's a you have fun we laughed and when

783
00:33:41,049 --> 00:33:38,690
I took a step back I remember the power

784
00:33:43,119 --> 00:33:41,059
lines two plane moves under it because

785
00:33:46,419 --> 00:33:43,129
my head moves well this light like

786
00:33:47,799 --> 00:33:46,429
almost followed my head and I'm laugh-in

787
00:33:49,330 --> 00:33:47,809
I'm joking and this thing started

788
00:33:51,399 --> 00:33:49,340
getting closer and closer now my my

789
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:51,409
heart started pounding and I'm saying

790
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:53,450
this can't be happening so instead of

791
00:33:56,710 --> 00:33:55,250
running like I was I stopped they said

792
00:33:58,330 --> 00:33:56,720
let's see if it's really coming after me

793
00:34:00,700 --> 00:33:58,340
and this thing was coming straight over

794
00:34:02,230 --> 00:34:00,710
me so now I ran when I got to the

795
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:02,240
beginning of the trail I looked up and

796
00:34:06,549 --> 00:34:04,370
it was gone I don't know what made me

797
00:34:09,129 --> 00:34:06,559
look up but about 200 feet over my head

798
00:34:10,869 --> 00:34:09,139
was a ball of light and you can see

799
00:34:13,599 --> 00:34:10,879
something moving in it I entered a

800
00:34:16,930 --> 00:34:13,609
completely different level of fear and I

801
00:34:18,609 --> 00:34:16,940
took off what you said before brought

802
00:34:20,559 --> 00:34:18,619
probably after two steps I felt like

803
00:34:23,559 --> 00:34:20,569
somebody poured cement on me and I could

804
00:34:25,540 --> 00:34:23,569
barely get to the garage I was dragging

805
00:34:27,669 --> 00:34:25,550
my feet across the sidewalk as I was

806
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:27,679
trying to like run in and when I got

807
00:34:32,139 --> 00:34:29,690
into the garage about a 2 or 3 feet it I

808
00:34:35,050 --> 00:34:32,149
felt like I got everything back hmm fell

809
00:34:37,809 --> 00:34:35,060
on the ground got up ran in the house my

810
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:37,819
mother sees me all in a panic I don't

811
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:40,490
know what to say you know I'm looking

812
00:34:44,770 --> 00:34:42,530
out the windows and everything and then

813
00:34:47,260 --> 00:34:44,780
she's like I thought you'd be back

814
00:34:48,940 --> 00:34:47,270
earlier that's what you mean now I hear

815
00:34:50,139 --> 00:34:48,950
the phone ring and it's my phone I don't

816
00:34:52,930 --> 00:34:50,149
have an arm you know it's in the garage

817
00:34:54,940 --> 00:34:52,940
I go it's under my mother's truck I pick

818
00:34:56,109 --> 00:34:54,950
it up and she's like what's all the

819
00:34:58,240 --> 00:34:56,119
commotion out there and everything

820
00:34:59,740 --> 00:34:58,250
there's helicopters flying in back

821
00:34:59,950 --> 00:34:59,750
around everything and then it dawned on

822
00:35:01,560 --> 00:34:59,960
me

823
00:35:04,950 --> 00:35:01,570
it was pitch black out

824
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:04,960
50 47 minutes of my life was gone

825
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:08,050
ran off the clock the question halfway

826
00:35:11,460 --> 00:35:09,930
is people told me you should go to hip

827
00:35:12,660 --> 00:35:11,470
hypnotherapy or something but other

828
00:35:14,010 --> 00:35:12,670
people tell me not it's like I don't

829
00:35:15,870 --> 00:35:14,020
know whether I want to know what

830
00:35:18,330 --> 00:35:15,880
happened because it blows me away that I

831
00:35:22,500 --> 00:35:18,340
can remember every second from when I

832
00:35:24,930 --> 00:35:22,510
seen it to the garage but 47 minutes ran

833
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:24,940
off the clock oh yeah incredible but if

834
00:35:28,230 --> 00:35:26,890
you recommend it I don't know still like

835
00:35:30,180 --> 00:35:28,240
up in the air if I even want to know

836
00:35:32,430 --> 00:35:30,190
what happened I never say UFO before I

837
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:32,440
don't even know what this thing was but

838
00:35:35,190 --> 00:35:33,970
wow that's my story

839
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:35,200
that's incredible thank you for sharing

840
00:35:42,540 --> 00:35:37,930
in it I will just add in terms of

841
00:35:45,290 --> 00:35:42,550
hypnotherapy it's tough it's I think

842
00:35:47,850 --> 00:35:45,300
again it's up to the individual I don't

843
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:47,860
promote it I also don't condemn it by

844
00:35:52,740 --> 00:35:50,170
any means if you wanted if you if that's

845
00:35:55,650 --> 00:35:52,750
something you want to do to try to get

846
00:35:57,840 --> 00:35:55,660
some stuff out I say go for it but at

847
00:36:00,450 --> 00:35:57,850
the same time it's hard it's hard

848
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:00,460
because you have to trust the person

849
00:36:04,710 --> 00:36:02,650
you're going to you have to make sure

850
00:36:06,900 --> 00:36:04,720
that there's no sort of contamination or

851
00:36:10,410 --> 00:36:06,910
leading questions when it comes to all

852
00:36:13,980 --> 00:36:10,420
that and it also if you want to remember

853
00:36:15,450 --> 00:36:13,990
what happened is another big one if your

854
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:15,460
cook if you're good with what you

855
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:18,610
remember I say that's enough for me that

856
00:36:25,020 --> 00:36:21,090
that event clearly had an impact on you

857
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:25,030
and I say run with that not to make

858
00:36:32,340 --> 00:36:27,610
light of any any situation like that but

859
00:36:36,300 --> 00:36:32,350
you know I certainly been told by many

860
00:36:41,670 --> 00:36:36,310
many many people over the years at UFO

861
00:36:45,570 --> 00:36:41,680
conferences that they can fill in blanks

862
00:36:48,060 --> 00:36:45,580
for me and they have they're happy to

863
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:48,070
and and have informed me that I'm a

864
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:50,170
collaborator collaborator with

865
00:36:53,700 --> 00:36:52,090
extraterrestrials and they've been

866
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:53,710
aboard the same ships I have and I've

867
00:36:58,500 --> 00:36:55,570
been been a commander aboard a ship and

868
00:37:00,180 --> 00:36:58,510
and they were taken the same night I was

869
00:37:02,490 --> 00:37:00,190
there and they saw me working with the

870
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:02,500
extraterrestrials so I've heard that

871
00:37:07,950 --> 00:37:06,010
story multiple times so I hear it

872
00:37:11,220 --> 00:37:07,960
without going to hypnotherapist I know a

873
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:11,230
lot of hypnotherapist Yvonne Smith is a

874
00:37:14,370 --> 00:37:12,970
is a good one I would recommend if

875
00:37:17,860 --> 00:37:14,380
you're looking for something like that

876
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:17,870
but I don't know I would take it with a

877
00:37:23,890 --> 00:37:20,530
grain of salt yeah go to an actual

878
00:37:26,530 --> 00:37:23,900
therapist too if you know does good work

879
00:37:29,110 --> 00:37:26,540
yeah yeah if someone who's completely

880
00:37:31,690 --> 00:37:29,120
disconnected from the UFO topic might be

881
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:31,700
a good choice or again yeah deal with it

882
00:37:39,220 --> 00:37:33,890
on your own terms I guess yeah that's

883
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:39,230
right yeah it's a good advice no this

884
00:37:46,030 --> 00:37:42,610
this happened about three years ago and

885
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:46,040
in Ashburn Virginia it's not too far

886
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:49,490
from Dulles Airport and this was at

887
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:52,010
nighttime about 8:30 or so I was picking

888
00:37:56,350 --> 00:37:54,290
my daughter up from work and I just

889
00:37:57,820 --> 00:37:56,360
always have a habit of just looking up

890
00:38:03,760 --> 00:37:57,830
at night I don't know why I just always

891
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:03,770
do and I noticed 12 objects in the sky

892
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:06,650
and I was like okay this is kind of

893
00:38:11,380 --> 00:38:08,890
strange because there were 12

894
00:38:13,540 --> 00:38:11,390
let's say flying saucers but like 12

895
00:38:16,150 --> 00:38:13,550
disc-like objects and they were all kind

896
00:38:19,090 --> 00:38:16,160
of bunched together and they had like it

897
00:38:21,610 --> 00:38:19,100
was like red white and green lights and

898
00:38:24,070 --> 00:38:21,620
they were traveling as a bunch and I

899
00:38:26,380 --> 00:38:24,080
told my kids I had my kids in the car

900
00:38:29,260 --> 00:38:26,390
I was like look you know look what is

901
00:38:31,750 --> 00:38:29,270
that and they're like oh no and so we

902
00:38:33,340 --> 00:38:31,760
watched him for a minute and as I was

903
00:38:36,310 --> 00:38:33,350
driving I kept looking I'm like what's

904
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:36,320
going on and then all of a sudden it was

905
00:38:41,380 --> 00:38:39,410
like there was a sudden drop and then

906
00:38:44,530 --> 00:38:41,390
they darted off in different directions

907
00:38:46,240 --> 00:38:44,540
quickly and I've never seen anything

908
00:38:48,220 --> 00:38:46,250
like that I'm like planes don't travel

909
00:38:50,650 --> 00:38:48,230
like that and planes wouldn't you know

910
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:50,660
do what what I saw like what in the

911
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:54,410
world is that and we were as I was

912
00:38:57,730 --> 00:38:56,090
driving I was like oh my goodness I'm so

913
00:38:59,170 --> 00:38:57,740
scared I just want to hurry up and get

914
00:39:00,790 --> 00:38:59,180
in my house because I didn't know what

915
00:39:02,290 --> 00:39:00,800
was going on I called my husband at work

916
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:02,300
he thought I was crazy I'm like there's

917
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:03,770
something going on in the sky I don't

918
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:04,970
know if you don't hear from me again

919
00:39:12,930 --> 00:39:11,279
and and I told some of my co-workers and

920
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:12,940
stuff the next day what I saw and

921
00:39:16,259 --> 00:39:14,410
everybody's like oh you're crazy you're

922
00:39:18,839 --> 00:39:16,269
crazy is nothing and you know and we're

923
00:39:21,180 --> 00:39:18,849
so close to Dulles it was planes like no

924
00:39:22,829 --> 00:39:21,190
it's not planes and I have a cousin

925
00:39:24,269 --> 00:39:22,839
who's a pilot and I was telling him

926
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:24,279
about it he's like no planes don't act

927
00:39:29,789 --> 00:39:26,410
like that so I don't know what it was

928
00:39:33,299 --> 00:39:29,799
but it really scared me yeah it's I feel

929
00:39:35,309 --> 00:39:33,309
like it's in our nature to have that

930
00:39:36,690 --> 00:39:35,319
defense first you know we see something

931
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:36,700
we don't know what it is we can't

932
00:39:41,220 --> 00:39:39,249
explain it's gonna be a threat possibly

933
00:39:43,230 --> 00:39:41,230
a threat you know whereas some people

934
00:39:45,630 --> 00:39:43,240
you know like someone like Travis Walton

935
00:39:47,039 --> 00:39:45,640
saw a UFO knows like I'm gonna go I'm

936
00:39:49,109 --> 00:39:47,049
gonna go out and I want to see what's

937
00:39:51,660 --> 00:39:49,119
going on with this thing so those are

938
00:39:54,150 --> 00:39:51,670
rare occasions that would say well that

939
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:54,160
wonder all an excitement is over it was

940
00:39:57,690 --> 00:39:56,170
just it was scary and I guess what

941
00:39:59,910 --> 00:39:57,700
really scare me is the fact there were

942
00:40:02,160 --> 00:39:59,920
so many of them because I I stopped

943
00:40:03,839 --> 00:40:02,170
counting at 12 there may have been more

944
00:40:05,519 --> 00:40:03,849
than that but the fact that they were

945
00:40:07,109 --> 00:40:05,529
just you know they were all kind of

946
00:40:09,329 --> 00:40:07,119
traveling together for a minute and they

947
00:40:11,489 --> 00:40:09,339
just darted I mean like a sudden drop

948
00:40:13,319 --> 00:40:11,499
almost and then this one went here and

949
00:40:17,489 --> 00:40:13,329
this one I mean this in different

950
00:40:21,269 --> 00:40:17,499
directions quickly interesting Wow thank

951
00:40:24,229 --> 00:40:21,279
you thank you it was how common UFOs are

952
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:24,239
I mean they're seen every day by people

953
00:40:28,849 --> 00:40:26,650
all over the world you know it's

954
00:40:31,799 --> 00:40:28,859
fascinating and and sad that we still

955
00:40:34,769 --> 00:40:31,809
have to deal with the ridicule factor

956
00:40:36,299 --> 00:40:34,779
it's still so strong I mean you know I'm

957
00:40:38,489 --> 00:40:36,309
sure many of us have had that reaction

958
00:40:40,009 --> 00:40:38,499
and were telling telling people a story

959
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:40,019
or something that happened to us and

960
00:40:44,339 --> 00:40:42,249
getting that getting that laugh getting

961
00:40:47,150 --> 00:40:44,349
the ridicule I have lost so many second

962
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:47,160
dates bringing up this topic

963
00:40:50,510 --> 00:40:48,690
it's a good way to weed out a date

964
00:40:52,730 --> 00:40:50,520
though it is it's true it really is a

965
00:40:56,180 --> 00:40:52,740
good filtering mechanism I guess for

966
00:41:00,290 --> 00:40:56,190
sure I mind it's more of an experience

967
00:41:03,350 --> 00:41:00,300
that I can't explain I'm a few decades

968
00:41:05,300 --> 00:41:03,360
older than you guys but this first part

969
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:05,310
of this that happened in the 50s and

970
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:07,770
unlike most people I can remember my

971
00:41:12,650 --> 00:41:09,810
childhood very vividly and I was very

972
00:41:14,450 --> 00:41:12,660
precocious and active walked at 7 months

973
00:41:16,340 --> 00:41:14,460
started knocking things off the top of

974
00:41:20,060 --> 00:41:16,350
the refrigerator by climbing up right

975
00:41:22,910 --> 00:41:20,070
after that so I was about 2 and we were

976
00:41:25,070 --> 00:41:22,920
traveling through Missouri and I heard

977
00:41:27,170 --> 00:41:25,080
Mike was in the backseat and I heard my

978
00:41:30,140 --> 00:41:27,180
father say look at that look at that

979
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:30,150
and he says what is that and he and my

980
00:41:34,730 --> 00:41:32,610
mother got out they stopped the car and

981
00:41:36,050 --> 00:41:34,740
got out to look at whatever it was and I

982
00:41:37,580 --> 00:41:36,060
thought well I want to see it too you

983
00:41:39,890 --> 00:41:37,590
know i'm miss rambunctious i got to be

984
00:41:41,810 --> 00:41:39,900
in everything but the whole time I felt

985
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:41,820
like something was pressing me down on

986
00:41:47,930 --> 00:41:44,490
the back seat and I couldn't get up and

987
00:41:50,570 --> 00:41:47,940
then I went to sleep now jump for it a

988
00:41:52,850 --> 00:41:50,580
couple of years I lived in very isolated

989
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:52,860
areas we didn't have a television I had

990
00:41:57,620 --> 00:41:55,770
no exposure to anything that would be

991
00:41:59,510 --> 00:41:57,630
considered science fiction or anything

992
00:42:02,750 --> 00:41:59,520
else although I think my father had

993
00:42:05,780 --> 00:42:02,760
taken some astronomy at pH D so that was

994
00:42:08,870 --> 00:42:05,790
one of the courses he took but when I

995
00:42:12,110 --> 00:42:08,880
was 5 I had this really vivid dream I

996
00:42:14,570 --> 00:42:12,120
can still visualize it and it was

997
00:42:16,670 --> 00:42:14,580
something I couldn't understand and I

998
00:42:18,350 --> 00:42:16,680
didn't have the vocabulary to explain it

999
00:42:20,950 --> 00:42:18,360
which you know makes me feel a little

1000
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:20,960
bit sympathetic towards the stories of

1001
00:42:25,250 --> 00:42:23,610
encounters from the Bible and whatnot

1002
00:42:27,830 --> 00:42:25,260
because they didn't have the technical

1003
00:42:30,050 --> 00:42:27,840
language either but I tried to tell my

1004
00:42:32,470 --> 00:42:30,060
father about it after I woke up and I'm

1005
00:42:34,940 --> 00:42:32,480
giving him these detailed and you know

1006
00:42:38,770 --> 00:42:34,950
descriptions and he kind of teared up

1007
00:42:42,530 --> 00:42:38,780
pieces what you just described was a

1008
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:42,540
spaceship going around Mars and the two

1009
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:44,490
smaller items were Phobos and Deimos

1010
00:42:49,720 --> 00:42:47,490
which are the moons I had never heard of

1011
00:42:53,890 --> 00:42:49,730
anything like that but it was just

1012
00:42:56,630 --> 00:42:53,900
really vivid so I don't know if some

1013
00:42:58,570 --> 00:42:56,640
information was implanted or how that

1014
00:43:00,880 --> 00:42:58,580
would have come about but that's

1015
00:43:03,510 --> 00:43:00,890
story fantastic thank you for sure

1016
00:43:07,390 --> 00:43:03,520
saying thank you yeah there's always a

1017
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:07,400
interesting physiological effect to I

1018
00:43:11,410 --> 00:43:08,690
think a lot of these times or even

1019
00:43:15,550 --> 00:43:11,420
parapsychological I've come across cases

1020
00:43:17,530 --> 00:43:15,560
where people have said that I I just

1021
00:43:20,380 --> 00:43:17,540
something told me I should look up in

1022
00:43:21,910 --> 00:43:20,390
the sky at this moment or I should go

1023
00:43:24,580 --> 00:43:21,920
outside or I should look out my window

1024
00:43:26,980 --> 00:43:24,590
right now and almost like it's drawing

1025
00:43:29,590 --> 00:43:26,990
them to see it we're on the other hand

1026
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:29,600
we have so many cases where the UFO just

1027
00:43:33,010 --> 00:43:31,130
fell into their lap complete

1028
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:33,020
happenstance so I don't know what to

1029
00:43:38,290 --> 00:43:35,570
make of that the motives of these craft

1030
00:43:41,770 --> 00:43:38,300
aren't these intelligence but it's it

1031
00:43:43,450 --> 00:43:41,780
really is a wide spectrum for sure and I

1032
00:43:46,330 --> 00:43:43,460
just thought of something another thing

1033
00:43:47,890 --> 00:43:46,340
I like to point people to when they ask

1034
00:43:50,860 --> 00:43:47,900
that question about how do I see a UFO

1035
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:50,870
or where do I go to see a UFO more times

1036
00:43:56,500 --> 00:43:53,210
than not when you read and again UFOs

1037
00:43:57,640 --> 00:43:56,510
are in mainstream media everyday more

1038
00:44:00,060 --> 00:43:57,650
times than not the stories that are

1039
00:44:03,310 --> 00:44:00,070
reported people having UFO sightings

1040
00:44:07,630 --> 00:44:03,320
involve people walking their dogs so

1041
00:44:08,980 --> 00:44:07,640
walk your dogs more people so that's a

1042
00:44:11,710 --> 00:44:08,990
good way to do it and also want to say

1043
00:44:14,830 --> 00:44:11,720
again with the the UFOs being in the

1044
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:14,840
mainstream media there has been a lot of

1045
00:44:20,650 --> 00:44:17,210
a lot of the coverage lately has has

1046
00:44:22,930 --> 00:44:20,660
been pointing out how the numbers of UFO

1047
00:44:26,380 --> 00:44:22,940
sightings are down there's there's been

1048
00:44:28,450 --> 00:44:26,390
a decline and I would caution you to

1049
00:44:30,430 --> 00:44:28,460
read that properly so what they're

1050
00:44:34,300 --> 00:44:30,440
looking at is the number of reported

1051
00:44:37,270 --> 00:44:34,310
sightings and I will say this having

1052
00:44:38,980 --> 00:44:37,280
mentioned that I've had my 12 plus

1053
00:44:43,930 --> 00:44:38,990
sightings you know how many I've

1054
00:44:46,870 --> 00:44:43,940
reported most people who see UFOs don't

1055
00:44:49,240 --> 00:44:46,880
report them so that number is misleading

1056
00:44:51,820 --> 00:44:49,250
I didn't know what MUFON was when I was

1057
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:51,830
12 years old you know a lot of people

1058
00:44:57,970 --> 00:44:55,490
don't you need the famous UFO lecturer

1059
00:45:00,400 --> 00:44:57,980
Stanton Friedman nuclear physicist when

1060
00:45:02,020 --> 00:45:00,410
he speaks at events he will ask the

1061
00:45:05,260 --> 00:45:02,030
audience like how many people have seen

1062
00:45:07,420 --> 00:45:05,270
a UFO 95% of the people raised their

1063
00:45:10,620 --> 00:45:07,430
hands and then he says how many of you

1064
00:45:13,859 --> 00:45:10,630
reported it maybe one person so

1065
00:45:16,109 --> 00:45:13,869
it's hard it's hard in there's so many

1066
00:45:18,299 --> 00:45:16,119
reasons for not reporting it I get it I

1067
00:45:20,849 --> 00:45:18,309
totally get it you know you're afraid of

1068
00:45:23,190 --> 00:45:20,859
what people might think or maybe you

1069
00:45:25,559 --> 00:45:23,200
came up with an explanation for it

1070
00:45:26,999 --> 00:45:25,569
before you reported it or maybe you just

1071
00:45:29,339 --> 00:45:27,009
don't want to know but at the end of the

1072
00:45:30,900 --> 00:45:29,349
day I think yeah if you want if you see

1073
00:45:32,849 --> 00:45:30,910
something say something that's what they

1074
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tell us in New York and I encourage

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people to report their sightings

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absolutely and that data is valuable and

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I think MUFON and the national UFO

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00:45:43,109 --> 00:45:40,749
Reporting Center do a fantastic job they

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00:45:44,789 --> 00:45:43,119
do a great job of tracking this stuff at

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00:45:46,620 --> 00:45:44,799
stuff that should be tracked is that

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00:45:48,509 --> 00:45:46,630
exciting when people say I saw lighting

1082
00:45:49,829 --> 00:45:48,519
this guy no it's not but it's still data

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00:45:53,190 --> 00:45:49,839
that somebody should be tracking and I'm

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00:45:55,710 --> 00:45:53,200
glad that they do it that being said

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00:45:57,450 --> 00:45:55,720
when you take a look at these reporting

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00:45:59,700 --> 00:45:57,460
forms some of them are fairly lengthy

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00:46:04,799 --> 00:45:59,710
there and that's probably why I haven't

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00:46:06,630 --> 00:46:04,809
reported mine and they should be I mean

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00:46:08,339 --> 00:46:06,640
there's more to UFO sighting then I saw

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00:46:10,710 --> 00:46:08,349
light in the sky at this at this time in

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00:46:14,249 --> 00:46:10,720
this day so yeah at the end of the day I

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00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:14,259
think - reporting it normalizes this

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00:46:20,339 --> 00:46:16,690
topic more and more when we see everyday

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00:46:22,819 --> 00:46:20,349
people I have spoken to so many police

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00:46:26,190 --> 00:46:22,829
officers military people doctors

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00:46:27,779 --> 00:46:26,200
teachers psychologists everyone everyone

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00:46:30,029 --> 00:46:27,789
has a story to tell of seeing something

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00:46:32,249 --> 00:46:30,039
weird so I think you know reporting it

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00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:32,259
even if it's like to your local

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00:46:37,259 --> 00:46:34,930
newspaper or whatnot it normalizes this

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00:46:38,789 --> 00:46:37,269
topic it strips the ridicule funk from

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00:46:41,249 --> 00:46:38,799
it and I think we can start having

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00:46:43,620 --> 00:46:41,259
better conversations with more people

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00:46:45,390 --> 00:46:43,630
about this I mean just look at this room

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00:46:47,339 --> 00:46:45,400
right now these are so many people that

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00:46:48,989 --> 00:46:47,349
you could talk to about having seen

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00:46:50,729 --> 00:46:48,999
something no matter what it was maybe

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00:46:53,249 --> 00:46:50,739
they could help you find an explanation

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00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:53,259
for it but conferences are a great great

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00:46:58,079 --> 00:46:54,729
place to do that they're like a safe

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00:47:00,209 --> 00:46:58,089
space where all the similarly minded

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00:47:02,339 --> 00:47:00,219
people are in a room and the ridicule

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00:47:05,819 --> 00:47:02,349
factor is not going to exist here but I

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00:47:07,349 --> 00:47:05,829
will say the stigma is is going away it

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00:47:09,989 --> 00:47:07,359
might not feel like it at times but it

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00:47:12,539 --> 00:47:09,999
is dramatically improving and look I

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00:47:14,599 --> 00:47:12,549
mean again alien con is a perfect

1118
00:47:17,009 --> 00:47:14,609
illustration of that UFOs and

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00:47:19,529 --> 00:47:17,019
extraterrestrial topics have moved into

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00:47:22,109 --> 00:47:19,539
pop culture you know so it's accepted

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00:47:23,850 --> 00:47:22,119
now poll after poll indicates that you

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00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:23,860
know majority of the people

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00:47:29,490 --> 00:47:26,970
on this planet believe that

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00:47:33,530 --> 00:47:29,500
extraterrestrials exist and most likely

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00:47:36,660 --> 00:47:33,540
have been here and may be here now so

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00:47:38,010 --> 00:47:36,670
you know that initial reaction with

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00:47:40,590 --> 00:47:38,020
people it's gonna stick around for a

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00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:40,600
while the the the giggle factor of the

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00:47:45,240 --> 00:47:42,490
ridicule factor can tell you how many

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00:47:47,190 --> 00:47:45,250
people hear us when they hear that we

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00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:47,200
are taking UFOs seriously they breathe a

1132
00:47:51,420 --> 00:47:49,810
big sigh of relief and then open up but

1133
00:47:53,310 --> 00:47:51,430
their initial reaction is to laugh

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00:47:55,890 --> 00:47:53,320
because they think we're kidding yeah

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00:47:57,870 --> 00:47:55,900
let me say that you know we take UFO

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00:47:59,580 --> 00:47:57,880
seriously and when they find out that

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00:48:01,710 --> 00:47:59,590
we're serious then they can let their

1138
00:48:03,750 --> 00:48:01,720
guard down and go alright they're not

1139
00:48:06,060 --> 00:48:03,760
gonna make fun of me so it's a nice

1140
00:48:09,090 --> 00:48:06,070
feeling it really is yeah I remember my

1141
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:09,100
parents came to see me talk at a UFO

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00:48:15,540 --> 00:48:12,210
conference for the first time ever and

1143
00:48:17,220 --> 00:48:15,550
skeptics again they they grew up knowing

1144
00:48:19,290 --> 00:48:17,230
I was interested in the topic I don't

1145
00:48:20,370 --> 00:48:19,300
think they knew how serious I actually

1146
00:48:23,850 --> 00:48:20,380
was about it

1147
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:23,860
but they came to see me speak in New

1148
00:48:28,500 --> 00:48:26,130
York last year I think it was and

1149
00:48:30,450 --> 00:48:28,510
afterwards my mother came up to me and

1150
00:48:32,460 --> 00:48:30,460
I've never seen her so brutally honest

1151
00:48:36,330 --> 00:48:32,470
and she looked at me and said this is

1152
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:36,340
real like that this like this stuff is

1153
00:48:41,190 --> 00:48:38,890
real and I was like yeah I mean

1154
00:48:42,630 --> 00:48:41,200
according to the data and the evidence

1155
00:48:44,490 --> 00:48:42,640
and what I've looked at and the people

1156
00:48:45,990 --> 00:48:44,500
I've spoken to I legitimately believe

1157
00:48:48,030 --> 00:48:46,000
this is a real phenomenon people are

1158
00:48:50,340 --> 00:48:48,040
having these experiences I don't know

1159
00:48:52,380 --> 00:48:50,350
what it is but it's happening and it's

1160
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:52,390
happening all over the world and this

1161
00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:54,850
isn't just a Western phenomenon other

1162
00:48:58,260 --> 00:48:56,770
countries embrace this topic that

1163
00:49:00,780 --> 00:48:58,270
ridicule factor is nowhere to be found

1164
00:49:03,030 --> 00:49:00,790
so I think if we do that here we're

1165
00:49:05,220 --> 00:49:03,040
we're in good shape and you know people

1166
00:49:07,410 --> 00:49:05,230
like my mom who was a staunch skeptic

1167
00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:07,420
it's starting to come around to be like

1168
00:49:11,610 --> 00:49:09,090
wow I should look more into this and

1169
00:49:14,340 --> 00:49:11,620
yeah yeah that was that was a pivotal

1170
00:49:15,750 --> 00:49:14,350
moment for me for yeah for something

1171
00:49:17,850 --> 00:49:15,760
like that and that's when I knew that

1172
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:17,860
the ridicule factor was leaving for sure

1173
00:49:23,730 --> 00:49:21,490
I'm optimistic yeah me too well we want

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00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:23,740
to thank the awesome alien Con audience

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00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:25,930
for participating with us today and as

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00:49:30,300 --> 00:49:27,610
we wrap up this episode I'll quickly let

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you know that my podcast unknown is

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00:49:35,250 --> 00:49:33,030
available on all the podcast places and

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00:49:36,170 --> 00:49:35,260
certainly all the episodes are on our

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intersection later

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00:49:56,650 --> 00:49:51,930
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